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		<title>By: Join Us for an ISTE-SIGMS Webinar: Fighting the Filter &#171; The Unquiet Librarian</title>
		<link>http://www.isteconnects.org/2009/06/04/what-does-internet-blocking-suggest-to-students/comment-page-1/#comment-3337</link>
		<dc:creator>Join Us for an ISTE-SIGMS Webinar: Fighting the Filter &#171; The Unquiet Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Olav Ostvold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olav Ostvold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read this thread - nothing has managed to rock my belifes but there are quite a few great points here. What bothers me is the abscence of  the motives for blocking access. 
In Burma etc - it&#039;s easy to understand,in schools it&#039;s more complicated. Norwegian schools tend to sunbscrribe to filters that block access if the word sex (Leaving it virtualluy impossible to look up &quot;Sex pistils&quot; In other words - Nudity is extremely dangerous . Torture and violence is acceptable.  Can anyoune tell me why ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read this thread &#8211; nothing has managed to rock my belifes but there are quite a few great points here. What bothers me is the abscence of  the motives for blocking access.<br />
In Burma etc &#8211; it&#8217;s easy to understand,in schools it&#8217;s more complicated. Norwegian schools tend to sunbscrribe to filters that block access if the word sex (Leaving it virtualluy impossible to look up &#8220;Sex pistils&#8221; In other words &#8211; Nudity is extremely dangerous . Torture and violence is acceptable.  Can anyoune tell me why ???</p>
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		<title>By: Justin K. Reeve</title>
		<link>http://www.isteconnects.org/2009/06/04/what-does-internet-blocking-suggest-to-students/comment-page-1/#comment-2101</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin K. Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong. I&#039;m DEFINITELY not saying filters aren&#039;t necessary.  We do have an obligation to protect the students from harmful material, pornography, inflammatory sites that could contribute to violence in the schools (although I think if a student is trying to view sites like this, they usually have existing problems unrelated to the sites they&#039;re viewing), and so on.

But when districts end up blocking sites like GoodReads or Ning or Skype or even Edublogs, one has to raise an eyebrow, and consider what we&#039;re trying to accomplish here. We&#039;re in the business of educating, and these services have undeniable educational value, so why aren&#039;t we restructuring our policies to incorporate them into our students&#039; learning?

I think one main problem is the lack of parental involvement in how children experience learning at schools. Are parents (a) being kept in the loop on how we expect their children to behave according to the AUP, and (b) are they willing to give the teachers some freedom in teaching Internet responsibility, without teachers and administrators being fearful of lawsuits when students decide to abuse that freedom?

I hear of parents all the time who DON&#039;T even think the Internet is a necessary tool in the classroom, when the old textbook-in-hand, teacher-writing-on-the-chalkboard worked well enough for them in school. Perhaps schools need to start holding regular &quot;Internet Awareness&quot; classes for parents. Could there be a way to make these classes mandatory, i.e. &quot;if you enroll a child at our school, you have to be aware of how we teach in the 21st century?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I&#8217;m DEFINITELY not saying filters aren&#8217;t necessary.  We do have an obligation to protect the students from harmful material, pornography, inflammatory sites that could contribute to violence in the schools (although I think if a student is trying to view sites like this, they usually have existing problems unrelated to the sites they&#8217;re viewing), and so on.</p>
<p>But when districts end up blocking sites like GoodReads or Ning or Skype or even Edublogs, one has to raise an eyebrow, and consider what we&#8217;re trying to accomplish here. We&#8217;re in the business of educating, and these services have undeniable educational value, so why aren&#8217;t we restructuring our policies to incorporate them into our students&#8217; learning?</p>
<p>I think one main problem is the lack of parental involvement in how children experience learning at schools. Are parents (a) being kept in the loop on how we expect their children to behave according to the AUP, and (b) are they willing to give the teachers some freedom in teaching Internet responsibility, without teachers and administrators being fearful of lawsuits when students decide to abuse that freedom?</p>
<p>I hear of parents all the time who DON&#8217;T even think the Internet is a necessary tool in the classroom, when the old textbook-in-hand, teacher-writing-on-the-chalkboard worked well enough for them in school. Perhaps schools need to start holding regular &#8220;Internet Awareness&#8221; classes for parents. Could there be a way to make these classes mandatory, i.e. &#8220;if you enroll a child at our school, you have to be aware of how we teach in the 21st century?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.isteconnects.org/2009/06/04/what-does-internet-blocking-suggest-to-students/comment-page-1/#comment-2100</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin brought up a good point that everyone sees coming: the cell phone as the alternative internet provider at school. The cell phone is here to stay and so is the internet and it is getting so cheap that every child can afford it.

Before I started reading this thread I was more in favor of filters and censorship than I am now after reading all these comments. But, you can teach a person something and he is only going to really get it after that person experiences it. The two best examples are &quot;don&#039;t touch the wet paint&quot; and &quot;don&#039;t play with electricity with your bare hands&quot; Everyone has these explained to them but everyone tries them anyway.

So, if people are going to try it anyway, many of you argue they should learn it at school first. If you get rid of the filters, do you take the kids through the trenches so they can experience it at school first? I see the filters at school as a time saver for teachers. It saves them from endlessly controlling the kids every step onto the &quot;filter zone.&quot;  

Do teachers want to teach time management? Is it better to let kids email at school and use up their time doing that instead of some research with a teachers help at their side (like in college). I agree that blocking email usage is useless and blocks a useful tool.

It seems though that the filters and blocking have a place at certain ages and levels of experience and as long as parents can sue schools for their child&#039;s bad behavior we will never see an end to &quot;censors and filters&quot; in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin brought up a good point that everyone sees coming: the cell phone as the alternative internet provider at school. The cell phone is here to stay and so is the internet and it is getting so cheap that every child can afford it.</p>
<p>Before I started reading this thread I was more in favor of filters and censorship than I am now after reading all these comments. But, you can teach a person something and he is only going to really get it after that person experiences it. The two best examples are &#8220;don&#8217;t touch the wet paint&#8221; and &#8220;don&#8217;t play with electricity with your bare hands&#8221; Everyone has these explained to them but everyone tries them anyway.</p>
<p>So, if people are going to try it anyway, many of you argue they should learn it at school first. If you get rid of the filters, do you take the kids through the trenches so they can experience it at school first? I see the filters at school as a time saver for teachers. It saves them from endlessly controlling the kids every step onto the &#8220;filter zone.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Do teachers want to teach time management? Is it better to let kids email at school and use up their time doing that instead of some research with a teachers help at their side (like in college). I agree that blocking email usage is useless and blocks a useful tool.</p>
<p>It seems though that the filters and blocking have a place at certain ages and levels of experience and as long as parents can sue schools for their child&#8217;s bad behavior we will never see an end to &#8220;censors and filters&#8221; in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I still don&#039;t get about the Internet filtering/blocking debate in schools is this; why for years has it been ok to filter/block access to books in school libraries, but now teachers/educators/students/parents feel that schools must have a wide open Internet policy.

After all, your school library, &quot;filters in&quot; the books the school has chosen to hold in its collections. There are no books on: bomb making, that contain vulgar images/language, porn, hate filled speech, advertisements, wide open comments, etc. Where has all the outrage been, over the course of the last 100 years in the education world, over this &quot;filter&quot;? 

You may believe and want wide open, unfiltered, and unblocked access to the Internet for your students, but you also have to realize that because of the dynamic nature of the Internet and the immense amount of unfiltered content on there, it is just not possible in schools.  Say you want to take the students to whitehouse.gov and one in your class mistakenly types in whitehouse.com - how are you going to handle that in the class? It is the equivalent to putting a bunch of magazines on a table and telling students to grab one and having a playboy mixed in with all of them. That would never be permitted in a non-technical school world. If all schools, nationwide, had totally unfiltered Internet access, you&#039;d have absolute chaos ensue. Teachers I work with don&#039;t even know how to send an email attachment, let alone be able to safely direct students through social networking sites, to Youtube videos, etc.

There is a major difference in a school environment blocking and restricting Internet access to minor, versus China as a nation restricting access to the same Internet to its citizens. As educators, you have to be able to see, and distinguish, the difference there.

As you&#039;d suspect, I don&#039;t agree with what much of Shelly states in the original blog post above. &quot;Whatever happened to the notion that teachers are capable of educating their students? Whatever happened to the notion that it was better for a student to learn about the dangers of life among peers in the safety of a classroom led by a trained professional teacher rather than in the darkness of a bedroom alone in the glow of the computer screen?&quot; What Shelly conveniently leaves out of the picture in the above quoted paragraph is - parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I still don&#8217;t get about the Internet filtering/blocking debate in schools is this; why for years has it been ok to filter/block access to books in school libraries, but now teachers/educators/students/parents feel that schools must have a wide open Internet policy.</p>
<p>After all, your school library, &#8220;filters in&#8221; the books the school has chosen to hold in its collections. There are no books on: bomb making, that contain vulgar images/language, porn, hate filled speech, advertisements, wide open comments, etc. Where has all the outrage been, over the course of the last 100 years in the education world, over this &#8220;filter&#8221;? </p>
<p>You may believe and want wide open, unfiltered, and unblocked access to the Internet for your students, but you also have to realize that because of the dynamic nature of the Internet and the immense amount of unfiltered content on there, it is just not possible in schools.  Say you want to take the students to whitehouse.gov and one in your class mistakenly types in whitehouse.com &#8211; how are you going to handle that in the class? It is the equivalent to putting a bunch of magazines on a table and telling students to grab one and having a playboy mixed in with all of them. That would never be permitted in a non-technical school world. If all schools, nationwide, had totally unfiltered Internet access, you&#8217;d have absolute chaos ensue. Teachers I work with don&#8217;t even know how to send an email attachment, let alone be able to safely direct students through social networking sites, to Youtube videos, etc.</p>
<p>There is a major difference in a school environment blocking and restricting Internet access to minor, versus China as a nation restricting access to the same Internet to its citizens. As educators, you have to be able to see, and distinguish, the difference there.</p>
<p>As you&#8217;d suspect, I don&#8217;t agree with what much of Shelly states in the original blog post above. &#8220;Whatever happened to the notion that teachers are capable of educating their students? Whatever happened to the notion that it was better for a student to learn about the dangers of life among peers in the safety of a classroom led by a trained professional teacher rather than in the darkness of a bedroom alone in the glow of the computer screen?&#8221; What Shelly conveniently leaves out of the picture in the above quoted paragraph is &#8211; parents.</p>
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		<description>[...] post to exhort educators to take action, along the lines of her guest post here on ISTEconnects, &#8220;What Does Internet Blocking Suggest to Students?&#8221; She wrote yesterday: The blocking debate ended this [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Links « Bib-Laura-graphy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Paul Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.isteconnects.org/2009/06/04/what-does-internet-blocking-suggest-to-students/comment-page-1/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my view, there are two main reasons for Internet filtering.  These reasons, would be &quot;Bandwidth&quot; and &quot;Appropriate  Content&quot;.  The Bandwidth issue would be easy to solve with the Districts purchasing more bandwidth.   The Appropriate Content issue is a little more sticky. In my opinion, we could try to have a law pass that exempted schools from lawsuits from parents for any internet content their children may be expose to.  Or have a &quot;switch&quot; that any teacher can turn off after signing an agreement that they will be responsible for any potential lawsuits that might arise out of their students use of the unfiltered internet.  This should take care of most of the reasons why schools filter.  

I am in a school district that last year, loosened its filtering dramatically, now the same teachers who last year were asking us why we had to have a filter, now want us to block the same sites that they wanted open a year ago!  

On another thought, would you agree that the school library should contain magazines like Playboy and Penthouse?  Because with no filtering you would be allowing these and much worse.  

It is not the filter that blocks sites, only people who put the sites into the filter.  Any site can be unblocked and any site can be blocked, I think most schools filtering process (how things get blocked or unblocked) needs to be looked at and figured out how to work better to serve  everyone.

It all comes down to affordable bandwidth and legal liability, if you can figure out how to solve these, then unfiltered internet is just around the corner.

When it comes to cell phones and other personal internet enable devices, if the school or district allows the use of such items, then they may (and most likely will) be held liable for any  potential lawsuits brought forth from the inappropriate use of these devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my view, there are two main reasons for Internet filtering.  These reasons, would be &#8220;Bandwidth&#8221; and &#8220;Appropriate  Content&#8221;.  The Bandwidth issue would be easy to solve with the Districts purchasing more bandwidth.   The Appropriate Content issue is a little more sticky. In my opinion, we could try to have a law pass that exempted schools from lawsuits from parents for any internet content their children may be expose to.  Or have a &#8220;switch&#8221; that any teacher can turn off after signing an agreement that they will be responsible for any potential lawsuits that might arise out of their students use of the unfiltered internet.  This should take care of most of the reasons why schools filter.  </p>
<p>I am in a school district that last year, loosened its filtering dramatically, now the same teachers who last year were asking us why we had to have a filter, now want us to block the same sites that they wanted open a year ago!  </p>
<p>On another thought, would you agree that the school library should contain magazines like Playboy and Penthouse?  Because with no filtering you would be allowing these and much worse.  </p>
<p>It is not the filter that blocks sites, only people who put the sites into the filter.  Any site can be unblocked and any site can be blocked, I think most schools filtering process (how things get blocked or unblocked) needs to be looked at and figured out how to work better to serve  everyone.</p>
<p>It all comes down to affordable bandwidth and legal liability, if you can figure out how to solve these, then unfiltered internet is just around the corner.</p>
<p>When it comes to cell phones and other personal internet enable devices, if the school or district allows the use of such items, then they may (and most likely will) be held liable for any  potential lawsuits brought forth from the inappropriate use of these devices.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly Blake-Plock</title>
		<link>http://www.isteconnects.org/2009/06/04/what-does-internet-blocking-suggest-to-students/comment-page-1/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelly Blake-Plock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ann

I think you raise an interesting question on the minds of many an admin. But the issue of privacy is only part of the equation; there is also the issue of digital transparency and the authentic (and useful) use of social media.

Here&#039;s a repost to your response via the TeachPaperless blog to give you an idea of what I&#039;m thinking is an even more heady dilemma:


A 21st Century Dilemma

We all know that an alias and an alt Gmail account pwn any Web 2.0 log-in without giving away any personal information. We also know how annoying it is to have to deal with anons on blogs or discussion boards.

So, the dilemma: Do you let kids alt their way around outmoded firewalls and proceed anonymously through Web 2.0, or do you teach them to approach social media in an open manner and risk whatever consequences? 


reposted from: http://teachpaperless.blogspot.com/2009/06/21st-century-dilemma.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ann</p>
<p>I think you raise an interesting question on the minds of many an admin. But the issue of privacy is only part of the equation; there is also the issue of digital transparency and the authentic (and useful) use of social media.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a repost to your response via the TeachPaperless blog to give you an idea of what I&#8217;m thinking is an even more heady dilemma:</p>
<p>A 21st Century Dilemma</p>
<p>We all know that an alias and an alt Gmail account pwn any Web 2.0 log-in without giving away any personal information. We also know how annoying it is to have to deal with anons on blogs or discussion boards.</p>
<p>So, the dilemma: Do you let kids alt their way around outmoded firewalls and proceed anonymously through Web 2.0, or do you teach them to approach social media in an open manner and risk whatever consequences? </p>
<p>reposted from: <a href="http://teachpaperless.blogspot.com/2009/06/21st-century-dilemma.html" rel="nofollow">http://teachpaperless.blogspot.com/2009/06/21st-century-dilemma.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ann Darling</title>
		<link>http://www.isteconnects.org/2009/06/04/what-does-internet-blocking-suggest-to-students/comment-page-1/#comment-1192</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Darling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question for this discussion.  Is it ethical to use web 2.0 tools in classrooms knowing that our students must provide personal information to create their accounts?  Does this practice require parental notification?  I&#039;ve always been a little queasy about my students who create their google accounts, and then whip out their cell phones to access email and then activate said account because our district blocks all email. I&#039;ll agree most students already have a large web presence but it only takes one parent to raise this question and bring up the privacy argument for which I don&#039;t have a good answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question for this discussion.  Is it ethical to use web 2.0 tools in classrooms knowing that our students must provide personal information to create their accounts?  Does this practice require parental notification?  I&#8217;ve always been a little queasy about my students who create their google accounts, and then whip out their cell phones to access email and then activate said account because our district blocks all email. I&#8217;ll agree most students already have a large web presence but it only takes one parent to raise this question and bring up the privacy argument for which I don&#8217;t have a good answer.</p>
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